Time To Say Goodbye
Time To Say Goodbye
“The inherent violence of all of it” with Jia Tolentino
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“The inherent violence of all of it” with Jia Tolentino

We talk abortion, parenting, and paying too much in rent.

Hello from the miserable gap between episodes of “Extraordinary Attorney Woo”!

This week, Jay and Tammy are joined by the great Jia Tolentino, a writer at The New Yorker and the author of Trick Mirror.

We start by talking about Jia’s recent piece on housing (= the rent is too damn high) on the worker-owned site “Hellgate”—and her dreams of organizing her building (not Tammy’s “white projects”) in Fort Greene, Brooklyn, New York. 

Then, we discuss two provocative essays Jia wrote on abortion after the Dobbs decision: first, on surveillance statism; and second, on the moral (especially Judeo-Christian) sacrifices inherent to pregnancy and human existence, not just to abortion. 

Plus: Jay and Tammy review Las Vegas's Sino-Korean noodles. 


As always, thanks to our wonderful producer Mai and all of our subscribers (Jia included!) for keeping the show alive. On Thursday, August 25th, we’ll have our next book club meeting with Lisa Hsiao Chen, the author of the novel Activities of Daily Living. Subscribe via Patreon or Substack to join. 

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